Shocked and embarrased - Re: Arbitrariness in mathematical phisics

[The Sorcerer]

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| Monetary systems are very interesting and I'll tell you why.
|
| In some ways they are discrete, and in some ways they are continuous.
|
| You have something and I want to buy it. I place a certain value on
| that item, and this valuation in my mind can take on any value
| contained in the Reals. But I cannot pay for it with Reals, I have to
| use Integers to count out the pennies, nickels, dimes, quarters,
| dollars, yen whatever.
|
| So, by the same argument that I have used to claim that space-time is
| not deterministic, I would also have to say that any economic system is
| undetermined. That is, monetary systems CANNOT be deterministic,
| because exact initial conditions cannot be known. Regardless of what
| people are actually paying for goods and services, it is impossibel to
| know exactly what value they actually placed on those goods and
| services.
|
| I might "think" that it's only worth .7545673 pennies, but to get the
| product I _must_ pay 1.00000 penny.
|
| Initial conditions are gone, cannot be known. Yet, it seems that SCALE
| has alot to do with things here.
|
| This is really very amazing stuff.
|
| Economics - partially acausal ? Who would believe it ?!?!!!!!!!
|
<yawn>... is accountancy class over yet?
Androcles

[The Sorcerer]

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| > | I think that this "stasis of uncertainty" is nothing more than a novel
| > | application of arbitrariness. And it would be interesting to take a
| > | look at arbitrariness, and all of the places where you could apply it
| > | if you wanted to.
| >
| > The world is analogue. Modelling it digitally is nothing more than a
| > novel application of numbers.
| > Price of beer, 1 penny. On special today: buy one, get one free.
| > Make an arbitrary decision not to take the free one.
| > It would be interesting to a psychologist look at arbitrariness, but
| > boring to me. I'd just call you shithead.
| > Androcles.
|
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|
| That's because you have no appreciation for the philosophy of
| mathematics, what seems an oxymoron in ways, neither do most
| mathematicians.

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| But you would not have a calculus if they never invented the limit,

Limits were not invented, they were discovered.
Dominoes and playing cards were invented.
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You have no appreciation for the philosophy of mathematics.
Have a nice flame.
Androcles

[The Sorcerer]

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| The Sorcerer wrote:
| > <***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > news:***@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
| > |
| > | > | I think that this "stasis of uncertainty" is nothing more than a
novel
| > | > | application of arbitrariness. And it would be interesting to take
a
| > | > | look at arbitrariness, and all of the places where you could apply
it
| > | > | if you wanted to.
| > | >
| > | > The world is analogue. Modelling it digitally is nothing more than a
| > | > novel application of numbers.
| > | > Price of beer, 1 penny. On special today: buy one, get one free.
| > | > Make an arbitrary decision not to take the free one.
| > | > It would be interesting to a psychologist look at arbitrariness, but
| > | > boring to me. I'd just call you shithead.
| > | > Androcles.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | That's because you have no appreciation for the philosophy of
| > | mathematics, what seems an oxymoron in ways, neither do most
| > | mathematicians.
| >
| > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/flame.gif
| >
| > | But you would not have a calculus if they never invented the limit,
| >
| > Limits were not invented, they were discovered.
| > Dominoes and playing cards were invented.
| > http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/DominoEffect.GIF
| > You have no appreciation for the philosophy of mathematics.
| > Have a nice flame.
| > Androcles
|
|
| The reason that physics has been stagnant for almost 100 years is
| because your most powerful tool is mathematics, and mathematics is
| subject to the philosophy of matehmaticians.

A mallet and chisel once created beautiful architecture like this:
http://tinyurl.com/ohvkq
Today...
http://tinyurl.com/p24zn
It's a poor craftsman that blames his tools.


|
| Consider the power of arbitrariness in math for a moment - it is the
| underlying thing that makes algebra work.
|
| y = f(x). So - what is x ? It's arbitrary. It can be anything in R. It
| is Rbitrary.

It can be anything in C too.
If y = f(0, i1) and the function f() is square(x), then y = (-1,i0).
We are not limited to reals. The function you seek is y = int(x + 0.5)

What is not arbitrary in mathematics is the unwritten rule: consistency.
The tool is not to blame for bad workmanship.

|
| If you did'nt have that arbitrariness, you would not even have algebra.
| This is somewhat different that "generality". And the fact that
| generality and arbitrariness are so close in definition and usage, this
| can be confising.

Very confismg. You might even confise an "m" for "in" using a different
font.
You just confised did'nt with didn't, and the generality of f(x) with
the arbitrarx y, bit U'm not confised et al.


|
| Why is it that you are unable to argue against what I actually said ?

When you argue with a fool, the chances are he's doing the same.
What you actually said was so boring I scarcely read it.

| You have a relationship y = f(x).
|
| 1) You can let x be arbitrary. It's called algebra.
Ok. Mass(apple) >=0
(Mass is a function, x is apple)

| 2) You can let f(x) be arbitrary. It's called theory of functions.

There are caveats. Mass(photon) = 0.


| 3) You can let equality be arbitrary. Because I said so.
|
| Do you want to argue with your master ? Must you be such a quizzical
| and obnoxious unruly little fucker ?

I'm an obnoxious big fucker and no cunt is my master. As a mathematician
I am also a pedantic fucker, a necessary quality in mathematics.

| I told you before - what is zero equal to ? 0/2 or 0/7 ? Equality is
| arbitrary near a singularity and it's the same thing with QM.

As I've told you before... bullshit.
You have no appreciation for the philosophy of mathematics.
Hardly surprising, really, since you do not know what it is.

| Now that I have kicked your ass right-good-n-proper, you will read this
| post and bow to your computer for I have written it. If you behave very
| well I will allow you to polish my boots today, so that I can look
| sharp as I walk all over you.

Have a nice flame
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/flame.gif
and quit kicking my donkey or I'll report you to the ASPCA and kick your
arse.

Kind disregards,
Androcles.